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    July 19, 2008

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    quizmad

    Thank you Chef, for sharing the new technique. You are awesome!!! I'm looking forward to try it at your restaurant.

    chadzilla

    I had to let this gel in my head for a day before commenting. Your observations and method of analyzing them are obviously part of what put you where you are in the culinary world. We have currently been working on a full menu change, and had many internal debates about 'what we want to represent' and 'what is feasible for us to represent.' Ironically, one of the techniques is the spherification. You have brought up some great points.
    We also fully relate to your theories on 'compromise.' There are many techniques and ideas that we play with, but are not feasible to be put into action on the line on a daily basis. By re-examining things and reading posts like yours, everything is falling into perspective.
    Thanks for sharing a little bit of what's going on under the hood.

    craig thornton

    I agree with you on the pearls, I have used them as opposed to the alginate pearls for a few years now and i actually like the agar pearls better. my favorite are orange blossom or rose water because they look so amazing when the lights bounce off of them, it brings out colors like a prism.

    Denis

    Hi Michael,
    Thanks for another great observation & perspective on the activities in your culinary arena. Because I live in the middle of the pacific ocean and alginates are not readily available could you recommend a internet source for the locust bean gum. Thank you.

    Michael Laiskonis

    Denis,

    I would recommend Terra Spice in Indiana for any special ingredient needs, including the locust bean gum.

    http://www.terraspicecompany.com/industrial.htm

    Jim

    When using the agar method does the entire "pearl" solidify or is there a liquid center still? In addition, can this method be used to spherify alcoholic liquids?

    Michael Laiskonis

    Jim,

    Yes, the entire thing gels, so there is no variance. I don't see why a high alcohol mixture wouldn't work, except that it may perhaps have a tendency to float, rather than sink to the bottom. Just a guess. Let us know if you try it!

    Jim

    Hmm... a quick check shows ethanol density at 0.789 g/cm³ and vegetable oil varying between 0.91 and 0.93 g/cm³. Float it would! Although... if there were a container of oil with a valve or rubber stopper in the bottom, you could "bubble" the ethanol mixture UP through the oil...

    My concern with gelling, though, hearkens back to my college days and trying to get vodka jello-shots to gel... I think the agar percentages may have to be tweaked.

    If I give it a shot I'll let you know... I've been thinking of something to do with some Hangar One wasabi vodka, and thought that making wasabi "tobiko" with spherified Hangar One would be a neat way to use it...

    Michael Laiskonis

    Jim,

    I like your idea of pumping the product up through the oil! As for density, I've found that the more fat is in the mixture (say an anglaise or custard), the more those pearls like to hang at the surface as well.

    Anyway, keep us posted.

    Jim

    Thinking over it, that would be a neat way to make sheets out of the liquid... if it floats at the top of the oil you could slowly pour the liquid onto the oil, let it set on top and then peel it off once set. Not sure that's a better way than just using a pan and the fridge, but definitely cooler...

    Jeffje

    funny, just a few days ago i was eating a fresh-from-the-oven cake and thinking about how important temperature is in food. i considered the practicality of using an IR thermometer to check the temperature of frozen desserts before firing each plate or for checking to make sure pasta is heated just so.

    and i'm glad to see i'm not the only one who's not terribly fond of the alginate method. it gets so much press, both in mainstream media and in blogs, and nobody ever seems to mention how dull the alginate gel is in flavor or how downright horrible calcium chloride tastes.
    have you tried working with low methoxyl pectin? it gels with calcium, creating a softer skin with excellent flavor release. the pectin itself has a slight tanginess to it that i find subtly enhances the flavor of the base. my only complaint is that, in my experience, "caviar" tend to stick to each other rather than remaining separate in the calcium bath.

    chadzilla

    Hey, Chef. I tried to email you, but it came back for some reason.
    Thanks for commenting on my soy pearls. I am using the same hydrocolloids with the addition of xanthan to add viscosity. The texture is incredible, but I've noticed a degree of syneresis after sitting in the cooler a couple of days. The pearls are fine and definitely useable, but slightly 'deflated.' Have you experienced the same problem with the raspberry pearls?
    Also the air hose/pump idea caused my mind to revert back to a Dave Arnold video I saw some time back in which Chef Dufresne was using a pump device set on low to release droplets into a setting bath. How incredibly consistent and less labor intensive than the squeeze bottle method.
    I'm now wondering if a simple adjustable bilge pump could be used for this... provided the flow could be lowered to the rate of a drop every half second or less.
    We are highly looking forward to your demo this fall at the Star Chefs ICC. I like the subject.

    Michael Natkin

    Wow, this is so great to read. I recently did asparagus caviar served on a buckwheat blini with creme fraiche, using the alignate technique. I was *never* quite happy with the flavor, just as you say. Kind of flat, and the texture wasn't beautiful either - kind of slippery/grainy on the tongue. I'm not sure a chewy agar sphere would be great for this particular dish either, but it is nice to know that there are other possibilities - and that I'm not the only one who doesn't love the alginate!

    (Here's the link to the asparagus caviar: http://herbivoracious.com/2008/05/dinner-party-1.html)

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